Tales of Symphonia

[nick64]

Anyone played this fabulous RPG! It is the best RPG on the GC (not suprising, since there are very few on GC).

If anyone has played ToP/ToD, ToS is a welcome addition, with its brilliant real time battle system, brilliant characters and good graphics, its a very nice RPG indeed.

So anyone else like this? :)

[jsnut]

Yes, I do. I actually bought GC for this game (bought them as a pack). :D

BTW, PS2 version will be released this Wed. with new theme song, animation and more. :)

[hgatedc]

yes... but i heard it wont be translated?

or is it the other incoming tales games

[jsnut]

That's US version of Symphonia for GC. PS2 version is in Japanese only, at least for now.

[tenken]

does anyone have the op movie for the PS2 version? (the song kicks major ass!!!)

[jarjar]

I am current downloading Tales of Symphonia for the PS2.
When it

[tenken]

yay~! thanks jar jar!

[nick64]

Cool, i need to hear the new OP as well...

im actually quite jealous of the PS2 verson as well, they got a host of new stuff that us GC fans dont get... :(

oh well.. roll on next Tales of .. game

[jsnut]

The new OP song (Soshite Boku ni Dekiru Koto) by day after tomorrow is being torrented in the new tracker. It's nice but I still like the old OP song more.

BTW, the new Tales game is called Tales of Rebirth (http://www.namco-ch.net/talesofrebirth/index.php) on PS2 (will be released on 12/16).

[starcaptor]

GCN owners get no love...we are the last to get the franchised games on all platforms, and usually dont get most of the killer apps, except for Nintendo's first party gems, which are good, but way too sporadic.

Was thinking of buying a PS2 before I learned that XBox could be modded to play Divx anime with NO OVERSCANNING!! :D

I got Tales of Symphonia the first day it was in US...definitely an awesome game for us RPG starved GCN owners.

[zatrayis]

Okay I defenately have a question about this game. What does everyone think of it's storyline? Some game magazines said it was bad but the gameplay made it worth it. That just turned me off on it entirely since I want a storyline worth something. If it is good though I might get it.

[nick64]

Storyline is very good but too overly complicated imo, a lot of betrayal/traitory is in the game but the overall story is decent. The gameplay is where it stands out though, its Real-time battle system is extremely well made! The characters are well made (generally) and there's lots of points in the game where you have conversations with one another, a plus point for me :)

rent the game out first if you're not sure.

[stealthgiga]

Wah.. needs to get my hands on this.. I like the graphics.

But I am worried, coz I have PS2 also, what if there will be Tales of Symphonia English version for PS2..?

[nick64]

wait for the PS2 version then.. but frankly from what i heard about the PS2 version its actually worse than the GC version. has longer loading times, choppier animation and framerate, however it has extra scenes and little specials

[deques]

nick64, what you have heard is correct. the ps2 version is actually worse than the gc version. it got longer loading times, some places are blurryier more than normal.
i read it from someone who actually got the game. he even compared it with the gc version and he likes the gc version better than the ps2 version

[stealthgiga]

Ic.. then Tales of Symphonia for Gamecube is a way to go.

But wait... I still need to buy RE remake, RE zero and upcoming RE 4.. wah.. where's the $$? T-T

(btw, my first n only game now is MGS:TTS)

[soutaku]

The GC version is pretty cool!

[nick64]

get REmake and RE0 soon, RE4 is coming and that looks mega sweet!

Metroid prime, VJ2 and the upcoming Zelda game look like extra gems for the GC console :)

[Rocka]

I love this game! It is one of my favorite RPG now. :D
And the game got an excellent soundtrack. ;)

The only disappointment I have is there are little anime cut-scenes, when I think there should be more for an anime-like game like Tales of Symphonia.

Oh well, it is overall a very good RPG. :)
Highly recommend from me, too!

[tales]

I'm the Tales's series's FANS,YEAH!SO I had downloaded the Both Version that J&U,it take me 4GB Space~~~~

[orka]

I just love the character design and animation sequences by Kosuke Fujishima ("Ah Megami-sama", "Taiho Shichauzo!")

[Ranger]

Lol Go Tales, just waiting for on-line version... Any1 play tales of eterniya for the ps1 it was overhere during the time of FFVIII, so it didn't do too well...

[Blaine2004]

Am really looking forward to playing this, haven't played an RPG for ages since I sold my PS2. It comes out for the GC on the 19th of November in the UK.
November isn't only about Halo 2.

[Excorsism]

ooo i have this game but i heard they stopped making the game for various reasons..game is very good

[Zero_Soul]

Yes yes, great game indeed. The game cover wasn't kidding when it said it was "an 80-hour epic adventure." If you don't spend that much time beating the game, you'll at least spend that much trying to get everything. You'll always have something to aim for.

[TicTac]

Yes yes, great game indeed. The game cover wasn't kidding when it said it was "an 80-hour epic adventure." If you don't spend that much time beating the game, you'll at least spend that much trying to get everything. You'll always have something to aim for.

Indeed that is so true...I mean trying to finish collecting all those monsters for that book was uber tough and I still never finished it. :(

[nick64]

well, first time i completed it, it took me 30-35 hrs to complete with no guide book.. mind you i didn't do everything (Sword dancers, Abyssion etc)

second time, it took me 40 hours to complete this included various mini sidequests as well as Sword dancers, Maxwell, Underworld and Abyssion

Third time, i have yet to complete it but i want to try to get as many titles as possible and every monster :)

80 hours is pretty exaggerated imo, but it still gave me hours of fun :)

[Mysterio006]

I'm not bothering to figure out what you can steal from every monster, Colette is just plain pathetic.

80 hours is overkill, but you can certainly reach that much if you really want to... of course, quick people will finish it at half the time. But man, playing multiplayer is so much fun that I didn't mind playing it the second time, and soon possibly the third time.

My only complaint is that the camera is uncontrollable during battle, since it only focuses on the first player, so sometimes other players go offscreen, and sometimes they complain like hell :)

I just wish there were more CG sequences... from the intro, you'd think there is potential for a bunch of these throughout the game (Xenogears anyone?), but unfortunately, there are....few. Ah well, the gameplay's fun, that's what's important.

[rensu]

I'm not bothering to figure out what you can steal from every monster, Colette is just plain pathetic.

80 hours is overkill, but you can certainly reach that much if you really want to... of course, quick people will finish it at half the time. But man, playing multiplayer is so much fun that I didn't mind playing it the second time, and soon possibly the third time.

My only complaint is that the camera is uncontrollable during battle, since it only focuses on the first player, so sometimes other players go offscreen, and sometimes they complain like hell :)

I just wish there were more CG sequences... from the intro, you'd think there is potential for a bunch of these throughout the game (Xenogears anyone?), but unfortunately, there are....few. Ah well, the gameplay's fun, that's what's important.

If gamecube wasn't stupid with their half-sized discs, there would probably be plenty more CG sequences ><

I've only put about 10 hours into ToS, but I like it so far. I'll probably put in a lot of play time during Thanksgiving break ^^

[DaMaGeDiGiTl]

I'm playing the GCN ver. now, good times :). I also own the ps2 (jap) version!

[DaMaGeDiGiTl]

I think the GCN version is much nicer to look at, don't get me wrong I love my ps2, but the graphics look nicer on the Game cube imo.

[TicTac]

Any significant differences between the PS2 and GC versions?

The PS2 version gets an extra dungeon and i think another playable character(not sure) but in terms if its better, I would go with the GC version because the PS2 port over of the game is CRAP.. It gets choppy at times and runs hella slow.

[TicTac]

Hmm extra dungeon and playable character but slowdown...I choose PS2 :)
Heh...I choose the PS2 version myself since I use my PS2 the most out of all three consoles but the game didn't impress me enough to go get another copy of the game, just for some extra stuff. Course if I didn't have the game yet, then I would have gotten the PS2 version too. :D

[soutaku]

I liked the GC version of the game, but the game is just not great enough for me to go out and spend another $70 for the same thing with just a little difference.

[Sn4keBite]

I found the game in a store yesterday. I haven't played any RPG games lately, so I'm really gonna buy this game, since it seems to be pretty good, and people seem to like it. I don't have enough money atm though, but I'll buy it when I do. I'll probably buy it before christmas. Can't wait ^^

[nick64]

the PS2 version has a ton of extras, like extra special moves and mopre anime scenes. Its not confirmed for a US/PAL release yet.. fingers crossed

[syndromicon]

I really want this game for gc, but I can't buy it now, since I have to buy christmas presents for people. Oh, the decay and agony, the drama of life.

[Sn4keBite]

bought the game last tuesday. one of the things I like best is the battle system. more details in my blog (link in signature. don't worry, no spoilers ;))

[syndromicon]

I got the game today!
Thus far, it's great. Really love the battle system.

btw Snakebite, we have the same bloghost :P
(You can check out my blog to, by clicking on the signature image, and read a little about ToS).

[Sn4keBite]

btw Snakebite, we have the same bloghost :P
(You can check out my blog to, by clicking on the signature image, and read a little about ToS).

yeah, EFx2 blogs are great. and your blog is interesting too ;)

[Abicion]

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See it here. (http://rapidshare.de/files-en/253114/Shinryu-Kill_Vidarr_Glitch_Short.avi.html)

[maohayato]

there will never be a us or pal version of the ps2 tales of symphonia.

[Abicion]

Strictly speaking, it's not quite a "never" as much as just a "very, very, very, very, very, very not likely."

Hypothetically, a PS2 port COULD legally be made since Nintendo only actually owns their own translated version, not the game itself. Of course this means in order for the PS2 version to be in English they would have to take ANOTHER whole year to port over practically the same game with just some new sidestories, revised Skill Lists, and 'upgraded" bosses at best since they would have to come up with their own translated script, possible name / item changes, and cast all over again.
The problems that arise from here are
1. Namco doesn't want to port ANY future Tales Of game themselves due to how bad the two PSX Tales games in America sold, hence why Nintendo had to pay out of it's own pocket for the GC version.
3. Sony probably sees no point in paying for their own translation whenever they've already got Sqeenix as their *****.

[starcaptor]

I loved this game, got it the day it came out...but I wish they had kept alot of the Japanese elements in the game untouched. For example, they should have left the voices during the cut scenes, because it wouldnt have cost anything (no dubbing anyways), and I fell asleep reading all that dialogue with no persons voice.

Second, I couldnt stand the English voices...not because of my bias against dubbed stuff, but they chose truly corny voices (most of the cast is same people who do voices on Teen Titans cartoon!). Alot of the Japanese seiyuus are famous anime seiyuus, and hearing them talk would have been awesome (they got the speech balloons anyways).

At the least they should have left it as an option in the menus...like they did in Soul Calibur 2.

[Abicion]

English voices? Meh, the only ones that really, really bothered me beyond believe were Kilia, Alicia, and "Abyssion" (God I just hate how they Romanized アビシオン, but that's a rant for another time kiddies)
It just pains me how their Japanese voices grew on me for 10 months and then out of nowhere I'm blinded by their totally out-of-character English transitions

Kilia, JP - Young, but deep woman's voice, fake-sounding which makes sense since she's <shameless spoiler> really just some random mutant impersonating Dorr's dead daughter</shameless spoiler>
Kilia, US - ****ing Powerpuff Princess -_-;

Alicia, JP - Typical softspoken woman's voice
Alicia, US - Flat-out loli. WAY too young-sounding considering she's <more shameless spoilers>Regal's deceased wife</spoilers>, and pretty much anybody on Namco Hometek's official ToS board who has heard her JP voice actress agrees with me.

Abicion - Teenaged-to-early-20's fiesty, just generally angry guy (in his glowy-haired Boss form he even has Love Hina / Ah! Megami-sama antenae to boot). Sort of like a psychotic Cless, which is basically what he is. Plus he's got this unusual accent that oddly only his and Lloyd's JP VAs have. You can't really tell when he's running around / teleporting all over the place screaming his head off about no one being able to stop the coming of the Age of Darkness and calling you "Naive, naive!" and whatnot, but it's pretty prominent whenever he calms down a bit for his little "I'd like to thank you, blah blah blah," mid-battle monologue.
Abyssion - Grandpa Nebilim. The closest matching voice I can really think of is The Butcher from Diablo 1. I believe someone on the GameFAQs board for the PS2 version who has only heard his JP voice before I recorded some clips of his English VA described it best as, "LOL, he sounds like he's dying as he's fighting you." Plus the fact that his English VA replaces the perfectly normal martial arts "Kyaa!"s he had in the Japanese version with snorting sounds (as if he were about to yack up a big one) just annoys the Hell out of me.

[nick64]

Second, I couldnt stand the English voices...not because of my bias against dubbed stuff, but they chose truly corny voices (most of the cast is same people who do voices on Teen Titans cartoon!). Alot of the Japanese seiyuus are famous anime seiyuus, and hearing them talk would have been awesome (they got the speech balloons anyways).

At the least they should have left it as an option in the menus...like they did in Soul Calibur 2.

Personally, i thoguht the VA was brilliant, apart from Collette and Presea's VA, the slightly comical feel about it made the game alot more enjoyable to play. Though some of the VA may not be famous, it worked well imo.

oh, and Abicon, that is a wicked video! That guy must have been bored out of his mind to level up to get Indignation. Crazy!

[maohayato]

the japanese voice of colette is really annoying, it may fit her useless and cliched role but its still unbearable to me. but when she stops talking that was a really nice period.

refill sounds good to me in japanese.

[things]

hehe, i want to play the Japanese version. i played the game like 5 times already trying to get all the stuff. really great game, but i dont know about getting the ps2 version, i need money.

so the japanese version had everything voiced over? now i really want to play it lol

[Abicion]

the japanese voice of colette is really annoying, it may fit her useless and cliched roleCliched, yes. But useless? Oh, really?

[soutaku]

This game rocked. I like it very much the English dubbed was way better than other dubbed games. I normally like Japaneses audio, but Nintendo did a good job on ToS. :)

[Unit1Evangelion]

im still in the middle fo the game. but love the game to death. fight system rocks. i have created combos. can do 30 hit combos easily and thats just with loydd. i would recommend this game to anyone.

ps colettes american voice is just as annoying. but ya the dubbing ain't to bad. i was looking for japanese with english subtitles int he menu for the longest time haha.

[soutaku]

but ya the dubbing ain't to bad. i was looking for japanese with english subtitles int he menu for the longest time haha.

Here here on that. That was the first thing I looked for, but Nintendo probably just didn't want Japanese on there and want a English dubbed game only.

[things]

i was able to do a 103 combo with a Compound U. Attack. Collete needs to do Hammer Rain and Lloyd needs to do Sonic Sword Rain or Sword Rain: Alpha on a large enemy. that got me Lloyd's 100 hit combo title, but he has way better ones like Berserker.

[Unit1Evangelion]

wow. will have to try that. ^_^

[nick64]

i've seen screenshots and videos of a guy doing 1000 hit combo.. crazy dude!!

i've only seen a screenshot of guy with 3000+ hits..

i can only do 120 hits with my lowly combination of Lloyd, Genis, Raine and Presea...

[things]

geez, i wanna c nick64. got links? how does the enemy happen to live with 3000 hits? i can only c that with bosses like Abyession.

[Abicion]

how does the enemy happen to live with 3000 hits?Weak weapons + Underleveled characters with EXP*1/2

[Mediocrity]

I've been playing my friend's copy pretty much whenever I get a chance to hang out with him. I think it's a great game. I'm not that far, but I'm chugging along at a decent pace. I dig the battle system. Always been a fan of the Tales series, mostly for that reason. I like action-oriented battle systems in RPGs. There should be more of them. It lets battles be more hands-on and allows for more interesting battles.

Honestly, I'm not too bothered by the voices, except in battle. They're painful. The event voices are...alright. Kinda funny how everytime Lloyd gets angry, I see Robin from Teen Titans instead. My friend laughed his ass off the first time he heard pissed-off Lloyd.

[soutaku]

i've seen screenshots and videos of a guy doing 1000 hit combo.. crazy dude!!

i've only seen a screenshot of guy with 3000+ hits..

i can only do 120 hits with my lowly combination of Lloyd, Genis, Raine and Presea...

120 hits is waaaay higher than me. I think I do only like 30hits or something. I'm not good at timing.

[things]

Weak weapons + Underleveled characters with EXP*1/2

hmm, thats what i thought. so far i have a game at the palmacosta ranch (normal path) with 1/2 EXP, weak weapons on mania mode with costume titles (no extra stat boosts at lvl up) imma try to hit a high combo now XD i really did this to get lloyds Gung ho title. dont think ill be playing soon since RE4 is just around the corner.

[putero]

for low level games using the combo x exp is better than the exp 1/2 thing just kill only bosses with no combo at all :p

[Abicion]

Oh wow.

That was sort of ... pointless.

[StaypuffTyrant]

the US gc version is pretty cool. I know the ps one has more extras, but its not released over here so i figure i might as well not get it. But i do admit it's fun.. weak story but great gameplay. I poured about 55 hours into the game before i beat it, trying to get all of the optional stuff.

[ri-chan]

i wouldn't say week story, it did manage to surprise me a few times.
but mabey other things were predictable....

I'm still stuffing hours into it, but it's become less since I bought my ps2.
and it will become even less wenn i will be able to play burned games (wich should be any day now)

[dragonmaster3000]

wanna know the hit combo world wide record? just check this page http://n.ethz.ch/student/wmartin/
it has some interesting stuff not only of TOS but from many others RPG games

[ANIMEPRO]

does anyone have the op movie for the PS2 version? (the song kicks major ass!!!)

Yeah l have the Opening for Tales of Symphonia. Its the Jap GC Version.
Once the tracker is up l will upload it.

[Zapper216]

Tales of Symphonia: I just got that game im not that far yet

[sum1]

bought this game a looong time ago bt i still didnt play it since i have TONS of RPG games to finish

[sp00g]

wow
ToS = greatest GCN game alive in this world
now if my gamecube wasnt broken i would go and play it...

has the OST been uploaded yet? :P

[briareos_kerensky]

The OST is four CDs long...and, IMO, not that good. Very soft and relaxing, but lacks some pathos...if there won't be anyone else doing so, I'll upload it once the tracker is back online.

[dragonmaster3000]

The OST of TOS is very boring, however, there are some tracks that shine:
- Fatalize
- Fightning of the Spirit
- Keep your guard up!
- The end of a thought
- It can waver and fight

[ri-chan]

zelos ~serious arange~ is also very nice, calm song, but nice =)

yes, the Ost is a bit boring to listen to just like that.
but, in game, I think its verry good. the places/events and the music realy match.

Romany caravan is also a funny track =D *gives me a happy feeling*

[ragnOrOx]

Bought that game when it came out! ONe of the rpg I enjoy playing over and over again.

[Jackael]

I liked this game... for the most part. For me it got a little boring and I just stopped playing about half way through =/

[sp00g]

yes the OST is four cds long :P
and thats why im not buying it! (4cds=$50 CDN)
and wait for the torrent!

i hope im not going off topic... but
do the rest of the tales games have the same type of battle system as ToS?

[Redempteur]

i like this game over +120 hours of playing ( restarted 5 times ) and i still can't get enough .and still have thing to do ( max combo record 2543 hits )

BEST WORLD RECORD COMBO in TOS : 49905 hits combos :eek:

[orisa]

i hope im not going off topic... but
do the rest of the tales games have the same type of battle system as ToS?

Well, sort of, only they are completely 2D, but the whole battle system is the same.

The only part I hated about this game was Abyssion, I lost to him three times before I decided to level up like hell from lvl. 70 to lvl. 75. And the only useful Devil's Arm for me was Lloyd's, which I didn't use more than once, since it was too powerful >.>

How do you combo more than 500? 487 is the max I got no matter how hard I tried...

[Link_dot_sea]

The OST of TOS is very boring, however, there are some tracks that shine:
- Fatalize
- Fightning of the Spirit
- Keep your guard up!
- The end of a thought
- It can waver and fight

Like a Glint of Light is good too IMO.

The game itself was awesome, played through it four times, each with different Grade Shop options.

Slow at first, but once you get about 1/3 of the way through disc 1, things get really fast and interesting.

[Ragnax]

The only part I hated about this game was Abyssion, I lost to him three times before I decided to level up like hell from lvl. 70 to lvl. 75.Did him in at lvl57 / 58 actually. Just use an All-Divide and the Kusanagi Blade (beat all 3 Sword Dancers for that one.), then start pounding him with Loyd. If you can combo well enough, you'll keep him more or less stunlocked. If he breaks free and decides to go Meteor Storm on your ass, just initiate the Unison Attack. It's cheap as hell, but the Unision Attack will take longer to finish than Meteor Storm, which for some reason keeps running in the background with no way of damaging you.


And the only useful Devil's Arm for me was Lloyd's, which I didn't use more than once, since it was too powerful >.>Atleast equip Raine's Devil Arm as well. It gives her +50 Int, and it's not like she's a melee fighter anyway.

[ri-chan]

and still have thing to do ( max combo record 2543 hits )
:eek: how did you manage to do that?!

on your own, or with a friend?
cause if you ask me it would get a lot easier when your with at least 2, never tried it though, cause I have nobody to play together with....*cries*



BEST WORLD RECORD COMBO in TOS : 49905 hits combos :eek:
o.O

[Redempteur]

:eek: how did you manage to do that?!

on your own, or with a friend?
cause if you ask me it would get a lot easier when your with at least 2, never tried it though, cause I have nobody to play together with....*cries*



o.O
YOU SEE i did this with friends it's a nice record i admit

but i 've seen abyssion beaten up in mania mode with lv 9 persos ..(and with only a perso )

[omgwtfbbq]

I think that this game is actually pretty good, it sort of remind me of sky of aracadia...I would suggest gamecube owners to buy this game since gamecube sort of lacks RPG

[BigBabyFish]

I think that this game is actually pretty good, it sort of remind me of sky of aracadia...I would suggest gamecube owners to buy this game since gamecube sort of lacks RPG

yeah.... pretty muchhhh. skies of arcadia was GREATTTT i love that game, if you love soa then you'll love this game

[ri-chan]

other way around also true?? =P

yeah, gamecube lacks rpg's. thats the reason I also got a ps2 in the end, far more of them =D

but ToS was one of the best Rpgs I ever played.
I havnt playes SoA yet, nor baten kaitos. (still haven't bought them due to lack of money...)

[xcalibro]

other way around also true?? =P

yeah, gamecube lacks rpg's. thats the reason I also got a ps2 in the end, far more of them =D

but ToS was one of the best Rpgs I ever played.
I havnt playes SoA yet, nor baten kaitos. (still haven't bought them due to lack of money...)

For rpg's i bought a gba. I could play lunar that way.

[ri-chan]

ohhhh, and golden sun!! I loved it! (both parts btw)
realy, it surprised me, I thought I would like it (because its a rpg, ofcourse) but I had no idea it would be that great (and long!)

for me pokemon also counts btw, it's hopeless, it's the same idea every time, and somehow it keeps beeing fun ^^;;

[xcalibro]

I agree i end up buying every new release. I even bought the remake of red and blue.

[BobaFett2ha]

>_< Tales of Symphonia didn't make Gamespy's Top 25 Gamecube Games!!!! >_<
http://cube.gamespy.com/articles/639/639689p1.html

I have the game and it's definitely one of MY favorites...
I like it better than some of the ones they had in there...but then, I AM an RPG fan. <_<

Oh Well.

[Lynkthepyro]

Well... In all honesty, ToS is not exactly...quality. It is more than likely the best RPG on the GCN, but that isnt saying much. Considering the Cube' isnt huge in that. That isnt to say that the Cube isnt a good system, it is definetly my favorite, but...ToS wasnt a great RPG like people make it out to be. Sure, the combat was good. But that is pretty much as good as it gets with this game. The Music is bland, the characters fall under 2 catagories. Annoying (Lloyd, Colette, Genis, Zelos) and Awesome (Kratos, Presea, Regal, Raine) and then there is Sheena, who is just fan-service. VA is good enough, I suppose. But, the Tales Series has always suffered from Mediocre stories. This is probably the best tales game, but that isnt saying much, really.

[Ragnax]

Well... In all honesty, ToS is not exactly...quality. It is more than likely the best RPG on the GCN, but that isnt saying much. Considering the Cube' isnt huge in that. That isnt to say that the Cube isnt a good system, it is definetly my favorite, but...ToS wasnt a great RPG like people make it out to be. Sure, the combat was good. But that is pretty much as good as it gets with this game. The Music is bland, the characters fall under 2 catagories. Annoying (Lloyd, Colette, Genis, Zelos) and Awesome (Kratos, Presea, Regal, Raine) and then there is Sheena, who is just fan-service. VA is good enough, I suppose. But, the Tales Series has always suffered from Mediocre stories. This is probably the best tales game, but that isnt saying much, really.
IMO it's still better than anything Final Fantasy that came after 7 though. :p
Tales of Symphonia actually takes a good jab at FF7 as well. There's a guy in the slums part of Meltokio commenting on where the flower girl went. lol.

Btw. Am I the only one who found Zelos comic relief, instead of annoying?
If you take a closer look at him, his character is fleshed out quite good as well, but then again I guess that can be expected for a character that plays as pivotal a role as Zelos does. (Turncoat that he is.)

[orisa]

I don't find Colette to be as annoying in Japanese version. I actually liked her character in Japanese, but the English voice actor is so damn horrible (Lloyd too), I find it offensive that people hate Colette for annoyingness.

I do agree that music could have been better though, as well as the difficulty settings (none of them is challenging at all =/ )

[Redempteur]

non of the difficulty setting is chaleenging ?

START the game in mania mode if it's not enough ,do the kratos fights in mania mode the isealia ranch in mania mode the sheena duel in mania mode too ...

[orisa]

do the kratos fights in mania mode
Did that.


the isealia ranch in mania mode
Done that.


the sheena duel in mania mode too ...
That, I didn't do, only did it at hard...I'll try it but I'm not sure I can win it -.-'

I was kinda talking about the overall difficulty through the game, not indivisual fights though...

[Redempteur]

Well... In all honesty, ToS is not exactly...quality. It is more than likely the best RPG on the GCN, but that isnt saying much. Considering the Cube' isnt huge in that. That isnt to say that the Cube isnt a good system, it is definetly my favorite, but...ToS wasnt a great RPG like people make it out to be. Sure, the combat was good. But that is pretty much as good as it gets with this game. The Music is bland, the characters fall under 2 catagories. Annoying (Lloyd, Colette, Genis, Zelos) and Awesome (Kratos, Presea, Regal, Raine) and then there is Sheena, who is just fan-service. VA is good enough, I suppose. But, the Tales Series has always suffered from Mediocre stories. This is probably the best tales game, but that isnt saying much, really.
i don't understand ..ok combat is good but the music isn't bland ..the music fit to the atmosph

[Redempteur]

Did that.


Done that.


That, I didn't do, only did it at hard...I'll try it but I'm not sure I can win it -.-'

I was kinda talking about the overall difficulty through the game, not indivisual fights though...
you did all these fights with mania from the start ? if you switch the difficulty in the middle of the game you won't see the diff

[xcalibro]

Well... In all honesty, ToS is not exactly...quality. It is more than likely the best RPG on the GCN, but that isnt saying much. Considering the Cube' isnt huge in that. That isnt to say that the Cube isnt a good system, it is definetly my favorite, but...ToS wasnt a great RPG like people make it out to be. Sure, the combat was good. But that is pretty much as good as it gets with this game. The Music is bland, the characters fall under 2 catagories. Annoying (Lloyd, Colette, Genis, Zelos) and Awesome (Kratos, Presea, Regal, Raine) and then there is Sheena, who is just fan-service. VA is good enough, I suppose. But, the Tales Series has always suffered from Mediocre stories. This is probably the best tales game, but that isnt saying much, really.

The reason i think it is one of the best i have played this generation is becauswe of the battle system. And i prefer rpg's with a action battle system like the tales series or star ocean. On the music i found that it fits in nicely, especialy the sheena theme. The story was good written and if you have played tales of phantasia you can see where it fit's in. This i why i find it one of my all time fave rpg's.

[Lynkthepyro]

Ive played every tales game, and they are just...mediocre. They arent done...well. I mean, in the case of a story being there, yes, there is a story. That doesnt mean it's good. But, the story isnt bad either. In that case, if it is neither good nor bad, then it is mediocre. And, the sound track had one or two nifty things. Like Kratos's theme, and Sheena's, but yeah, Sheena is fanservice. She is more than likely the least useful character in a battle system that mostly consists of beating the living crap out of people. And, Status effects? never useful. Ever. Except in Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne. Honestly, there is no room for strategy in a Tales game, it is mostly made for people who arent patient enough for a good RPG like Lunar or Fire Emblem.

[Ragnax]

Sheena is fanservice. She is more than likely the least useful character in a battle system that mostly consists of beating the living crap out of people. And, Status effects? never useful. Ever. Except in Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.Play Lufia2 and tell me team-paralyzing spells aren't useful. Play FF6 with the blind bug patchd, and tell me blind isn't a *****. Play the unpatched FF6 and tell me Vanish/Doom, Vanish/XZone is useless (All status attack spells that combined can kill ANYTHING in the game).


Honestly, there is no room for strategy in a Tales game, it is mostly made for people who arent patient enough for a good RPG like Lunar or Fire Emblem.Because RPG != Strategy RPG, which is a whole different genre, under which Fire Emblem falls, btw. Why are you comparing apples to oranges?
There's no strategy in games like FF either. It just consists of level grinding until you are faster than any monster and can QuadraMagic Ultima, or something along those lines.
Because the option of leveling exists, all standard RPGs are inherently strategy-less! There are some exceptions to the rule though. Chrono Cross being an excellent example of a RPG game where you needed to think ahead in the battles.

[RyuMizuchi]

Sheena is a fanservice? Actually, she is kind of kameo... ever played Tales of Phantasia for PSX? There is a character that wasnt starring as a playable character in ToP SNES, her name being Suzu Fujibayashi. And what is the surname of Shihna/Sheena? Fujibayashi. They (Namco) obviously wanted Sheena to be an ancestor to Suzu, to keep the timeline somehow.

As for RPGs, i agree with Ragnax. Even Fire Emblem doesnt need much strategy is you level up your chars in Arena and promote them as early as possible... Chrono Cross was a great example of strategy indeed. For example: In the place you found the skeleton clown, there was a guard that said: "do not go down, there is a bird that is aggresive". And it indeed was, you could get down there and get the egg, yet your chances of survival against the bird were minor. But it was possible to win against it. All depending on your skill that is.

Another example - Guild Wars. As probably most of you know, its an MMORPG. But what is most important in it? Skill. There are only 20 levels to gain. And ive seen Mesmers beating crap out of Warriors that were 7 levels higher. The mechanics of GW system are based on the compiling the skills on your skill bar. And the way you combine them is only yours to decide. There are some templates, but every day a new build arises. And there are no perfect builds. Thats where strategy applies.

[Redempteur]

saying that sheena is a useless character proves to me that some people didn't play the game the correct way ..

why talking strategy in a action based RPG ?

[orisa]

As for RPGs, i agree with Ragnax. Even Fire Emblem doesnt need much strategy is you level up your chars in Arena and promote them as early as possible

Which FE game are you talking about? Not all FE games are with the arena feature, in fact, the only title where a feature like that can be abused in is Sacred Stone. Fire Emblem games indeed don't require much thinking to beat. But unlike the other games, when your characters get killed, they stay dead. No matter how much you train a character, when that character dies, all efforts go down the drain and you are forced to think up a new formation.

And when did anyone say RPG games require strategic skills? The only strategies an RPG game requires is most likely the element cycles. The rest depends on the stats of your characters.


Chrono Cross was a great example of strategy indeed. For example: In the place you found the skeleton clown, there was a guard that said: "do not go down, there is a bird that is aggresive". And it indeed was, you could get down there and get the egg, yet your chances of survival against the bird were minor. But it was possible to win against it. All depending on your skill that is.

And that requires strategies because?

[cattouf]

Wat i especially loved was the fact that u could put ur chars on automatic if u were to lazy to do it. I found that especially useful when i was fighting the same monsters over and over again to level up, bronze or golden dragon in a cave only one of them but they give u about 10000gold after each battle so hes kinda of useful to kill when your low on cash, other things i loved where the humor and the number of things u can unlock during the game i ahvent played for a long time so i dont remeber wat they are lol the recipes the cloths the grades???, the multitude of weapons u can use lol the broom, the tambourines, and many others, they make look harmless but they are quite deadly...

[Redempteur]

Wat i especially loved was the fact that u could put ur chars on automatic if u were to lazy to do it. I found that especially useful when i was fighting the same monsters over and over again to level up, bronze or golden dragon in a cave only one of them but they give u about 10000gold after each battle so hes kinda of useful to kill when your low on cash, other things i loved where the humor and the number of things u can unlock during the game i ahvent played for a long time so i dont remeber wat they are lol the recipes the cloths the grades???, the multitude of weapons u can use lol the broom, the tambourines, and many others, they make look harmless but they are quite deadly...
cattouf calme toi (calm down )
n'oublie pas d'utiliser le bouton " entr

[sum1]

I have both this game and fire emblem on the GC and ill play them as soon as i finish FFV and FFVI but which one do i play first ToS or FE:PoR?

[wonder1983]

I bought ngc just for this game and pokemon.I think the ngc edition is much better than the ps2 edition

[magihina]

This game was probably the best game I've played on the GC. :D

[lucky644]

One of the best RPG's I've ever played.

I'm starting over again :)

[sum1]

I have a question about the devil arms. do i need to kill the enemies with the devil weapons to increase their stats or i just kill the enemy with any weapon to increase them?

[NeoShadowstryke]

Truly one of the best RPGs...

[Redempteur]

I have a question about the devil arms. do i need to kill the enemies with the devil weapons to increase their stats or i just kill the enemy with any weapon to increase them?
you have to kill an enemy with the specific weapon i believe:eek:

[Grospolina]

I couldn't kill the third skeleton thing so i skipped it, is there a chance to fight it again?

[nick64]

once you 'activated' the third skeleton you can fight it whenever you want in the game. Unlike the first two keletons where if you go past a certain event/time then they're gone forever.

[sum1]

abyssion wasnt that hard i thought that the hardest boss in the game would be harder than this like FFVII's ruby and emerald weapon.and my friends recomended me a lvl80 and higher i beat him at 69 --___--

anyways how can i get kratos back in my party? they say that you can get him back near the end of the game and the ending changes

[Redempteur]

abscion in mania mode is quite hard if you have got the bonus upgrades first ...

[gundamjehutykai]

abyssion wasnt that hard i thought that the hardest boss in the game would be harder than this like FFVII's ruby and emerald weapon.and my friends recomended me a lvl80 and higher i beat him at 69 --___--

anyways how can i get kratos back in my party? they say that you can get him back near the end of the game and the ending changes

The ending doesn't change that much...

In any case, it's different depending on which version of the game you have.

On the gamecube version, You simply reject all 3 of your "favourite characters" in the scene at the snow village just before you go off to assault that tower where Zelos will betray you. if you do that, Spoiler!!!Zelos will die and Kratos won't be too badly injured when Lloyd duels him just after you get Origin so you get him back

On the PS2 version, it's much harder. You have to make sure that Kratos is your favourite character BEFORE he leaves your group. This basically means, doing all the training bits and answering the skits to get his approval. Then, it's the same as the GC version.

And I beat Abyssion at a fairly low level as well, But i cheated and used an all-divide, something you can't do on the PS2 version.

@Sum1: The devil arms stats increase depending on the number of kills that character has done during the game, regardless of which weapon was used. Thus lloyd will be incredibly powerful (since he's your main character and will probably have done alot of killing), while Refil/Raine will be piddly ass weak cos she probably hasn't killed many enemies over the course of the game (too busy healing)

[Neko Kagome]

waaa...i remember playing the game...man i miss it, i made one of my character to level 109 and the other 103 and the other 101 and the rest are in the 90's...

[nick64]

abyssion wasnt that hard i thought that the hardest boss in the game would be harder than this like FFVII's ruby and emerald weapon.and my friends recomended me a lvl80 and higher i beat him at 69 --___--

anyways how can i get kratos back in my party? they say that you can get him back near the end of the game and the ending changes

I beat abyssion with ~lvl 54 ish, i found the Tales trio much much harder mainly because Meredy was able to revive herself, and it was three seperate hard entities rather than just one harder entity. Oh, and also it was a fair 3 vs 3 battle.

[Ragnax]

I beat abyssion with ~lvl 54 ish, i found the Tales trio much much harder mainly because Meredy was able to revive herself, and it was three seperate hard entities rather than just one harder entity. Oh, and also it was a fair 3 vs 3 battle.Oh man. I remember that fight as well. Much harder than Abyssion and exactly for the reasons you stated. #$^&#$ Meredy.



@Sum1: The devil arms stats increase depending on the number of kills that character has done during the game, regardless of which weapon was used. Thus lloyd will be incredibly powerful (since he's your main character and will probably have done alot of killing), while Refil/Raine will be piddly ass weak cos she probably hasn't killed many enemies over the course of the game (too busy healing)Not that Raine's low attack would really matter, considering she's supposed to spam healing spells and Ray and Photon spells. You still want to equip her Devil's arm for the +50 Int bonus. ;) Oh yeah. Another neat thing to tack onto an explanation of the Devil's arms is the fact that the 'amount of kills made' can be transferred to a new game+. This means beating Abyssion and unlocking the Devil's arms in a second playthrough gets you some really insane damage rates without having to powerlevel all the time.



abyssion wasnt that hard i thought that the hardest boss in the game would be harder than this like FFVII's ruby and emerald weapon.Ruby and Emerald weapon are dead easy as long as you know what you're doing. There are strategies for defeating them that have a 100% success rate and you can pull it off with characters at lvl40 or so. Just a matter of miming KotR. (Or if you don't want to go through the hassle of getting a golden chocobo and KotR, then have Cloud mime his own OmniSlash limit break...) They're boring as all hell, actually. :rolleyes:

[sum1]

@ragnax: oh didnt know that ruby weapon was that easy. another hard boss is kingdom heart's sephiroth but hes easily kiled at lvl 100.

why dont they release other 'tales of' games in english? there are tons that have been released but never translated. and it would be cool if ToS had a sequal but i dont think thats going to happen.

[Underworldman]

any one know any hints to beat abysson?

im lvl 96 with 160+hrs and I cant do it...

and ware is the third skeliton?

[RiceRice84]

Cool, I'm lucky to find a thread on this! I have never played ToS, but it looks really good. It's only around $20 used here! I'm definately getting it.

[Serenity85]

woot ToS is such a great game, spent countless hours playing, and still havn't unlocked everything yet, thou havn't played in a while. FYI the newest tales game has just been released ^_^. Its called Tales of Legendia for the PS2. It also uses the luner motion system that tales did. Can't wait to get it.

[gundamjehutykai]

Legendia is horrific!!

I had the misfortune of playing the jap version. The main problem is that the 3D battle system dramatically slows down the pace of the battle and the loading times are extended. Heck, there's even a loading time for the Post battle results!!

Tho it gets (unintentional) humour points for the main character (who has the same VA as Shinn Asuka from GSD) shouting STELLAR!!!!

The latest tales game in Japan is Tales of the Abyss and that's good. It feels so similar to Symphonia, it's uncanny (same development team apparently).

[Serenity85]

Hmm, well I'll give the new tales a shot, rent it or borrow. Give my own opinion of it. gundamjehutykai do you have a url to a website with screens or videos for abyss, even if it jap would like to see it ^_^!

[gundamjehutykai]

there's a small preview of it on Magic box but i'm sure there are vids and the like floating around the internet.

Magic box preview. (http://www.the-magicbox.com/0510/game051019c.shtml)

It's a shame that any Major deviation from the normal system seems to have too many bugs with it. Legendia had loading times and slow fights and Tales of Rebirth had some problems with it's 3 tier battle system (which is also being used in the next DS tales game. Hopefully, they'll fix it for that one)
Abyss had some big additions but no overhaul of the battle system like the other 2.

None of the games are particularly bad when compared to other games but after playing symphonia, legendia esp, just feels like a massive disappointment (much like Grandia Xtreme and XS ep 2 were, for me at least)

[sum1]

will they release tales of abyss in english?

[milkmandan]

will they release tales of abyss in english?
i sure hope so but i doubt its gna be for GC
i would really like to see this game get ported over in english...
ToS was great btw,, >< replaying it now

[Redempteur]

abyss is great but be warned .... this game is FAST .. think fast or else it's gameover ... :)

[Underworldman]

once again does anyone know any tips to beat abysson?

the location of the third sword dancer?

[Redempteur]

once again does anyone know any tips to beat abysson?

the location of the third sword dancer?
abyssion is simple to beat if you just have a welle balanced team and a good level ..you have to guard and evade as many attacks as you can ...

the third sword dancer is in the first forest , near the end .... you have to beat the first two and it will appaer ..

[Neko Kagome]

i think i know but i stop playing since i dont got the game, i beat all 3 swords dancers, and there one...the underworld one...man it took me like...4 or 5 hours to finish that stange it hard!!!

[nick64]

you mean the Book? Yeah that was quite hard, in the PS2 TOS version, they get an extra boss battle there

Mithos, Kratos and Yuan!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEe4WjaFOWk&search=Tales%20of%20Symphonia%20Kratos

[Neko Kagome]

yeah how long did it take you to finish it??

[nick64]

the whole dungeon must have taken me over an hour, it was quite a boring dungeon after all so i can't remember much from it other than the first boss was alot harder than the second boss.

[sum1]

man the ps2 version rocks you get 271200EXP with 23040000 money for a boss fight.....you get to play as cruxis kratos......plus tons of other things

anyways about the book my friend said that i have to open the door to the final battle so that i can go to the book, i did that but it didnt work.

[Redempteur]

need image of anna ...

plz post

[Neko Kagome]

u serious! u get to see Kratos wife on the PS2!! NO WAY!!!!

[sum1]

errr i saw some images online about kratos's wife (diff art same look) and thought that you get to see her wife.
anyways my friend told me that you dont see her. sorry if you got excited i edited my previous post

[Neko Kagome]

.....nyaaaa~~~~~~~ >T.T< man all that excitement for nothing nyaaa~

[Lamito]

although im a die hard Zelda fan, this was better then wind waker

[lich]

TOS is a great RPG, but it gets old after a while. I've completed the game six times. I even did a Mania run without any Grade shop boost. When I started my sventh playthrough and I quite once I defeated the Plantix again. The game got repetitive and boring. I still like the game, but it doesn't have much replay value.

[nick64]

Ahh, alot of games get old after a while, especially if you completed it 6 times! Of course you will find repetitive.

Also, no replay value? Of all the current gen rpgs i've played, ToS was the only one that i've played more than twice for, oh, and include the fact you played it 6 times must mean something as well ;)

[lich]

ell, you do have a point. I guess I played the game to death. It does have replay value, I just squeezed all of it out of the game. I don't hate the game though, its one of my Favorite RPGs. The battle system was unlike many other titles and made the game fun.

Lol, you should see some of the people on the TOS forums. They are obsessed with it. They beat the game 12 times and still love it. Someone even did a 1000+ hit combo on an Ice Warrior.

[Redempteur]

i played symphonia before phantasia ... i'm playing phantasia right now and i'm impressed how much symphonia has taken out of phantasia ... ( names, locations,ect.. ).

[RocKM]

Someone even did a 1000+ hit combo on an Ice Warrior.

Wow O_O And i thought me getting the FF card glitch was bad ^^;; 1000+ hits?!

Anyhoo..ToS was nice. First intro to the Tales of games actually ^^ And as a matter of fact first time i had a Real Time system as well XD Took a while to get used to it tho =3 I might continue my round 2 once i get off finishing ToP on GBA ^^;;

[lich]

When I said a 1000+ hit combo I was way off. Shinryu did a 100964 Hit Combo.

http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34255

This takes obsession to a new level.

[Dan Chan]

Jesus...That's intense x.x..

Makes me wish they put more effort into the storyline. I probably would've spent more time on it if the plot was slightly interesting.

[Ragnax]

i played symphonia before phantasia ... i'm playing phantasia right now and i'm impressed how much symphonia has taken out of phantasia ... ( names, locations,ect.. ).
See if you can find the Tales of Phantasia OAV. It in turn contains some references back to Tales of Symphonia.Like Dhaos originating from Deris Qarlan.
The worlds where these two games take place really mesh nicely, up to the level of 'alternate universe', really.

[RocKM]

Sweet Merciful goddess... 100k+ combo? Ok now THAT is dedication ^^;;

Anyhoo it's not so much as ToP referencing stuff from ToS but the other way around! =P Remember ToP came out before ToS!. But the thing is you usually find some sorta commonalities in RPG series anyway ^^

FF - Summons and classes
BoF - Dragons ^^
Xeno series = Mechs XD

In the case of Tales series it was the skills, Real Time combat and of course Sylvarant, Derris Kharlan and other important places! ^^

[Genjo senpai]

well I started another topic on it sigh. o well. xD what can i say I love this game.:P

[kennyc002]

Jesus...That's intense x.x..

Makes me wish they put more effort into the storyline. I probably would've spent more time on it if the plot was slightly interesting.
Agreed. I still ended up playing it like 5 times through. :-/

[sylvan]

I dun know why people are complining about the lack of story on ToS, That is the best bit about the game!
The best thing is all the different possibiltities in the game (like getting kratos instead of zelos and all the falanor clips)

[Redempteur]

story in TOS is generic but well done ..many thing to do and to discover ...it's soo clich

[defs0ul]

ToS is crap, I find other tales of games better. Btw, I think TotA will come out around October and I believe it's better than ToS in every area.

[CidCidWai]

I still haven't beat it... I dunno, wasn't as good as Phantasia.

[Redempteur]

ToS is crap, I find other tales of games better. Btw, I think TotA will come out around October and I believe it's better than ToS in every area.
did you play it TOA ?
because i've played and own every tales game ( abyss and rebirth and destiny 2 inclued ) and i still think Symphonia's story quite good..simple but still quite good

Symphonia and Abyss lack mini-games ( like in eternia or destiny )>:D
and dis you know that abyss was made by the same team as symphonia ..and it posees the same chara designer as well .as for the battle system it's an upgraded version (with the 360

[defs0ul]

did you play it TOA ?


No I haven't played ToA, that's why I said "I believe" coz my knowledge of ToA only came from people who played the game and they say it is good. But most of those people that played ToA liked ToS, I don't coz I've tried it and it's just no fun for me. I find ToD II(ToE) more enjoyable than ToS. And I find ToL more amusing than ToS, lol.

ToA will be a better game because it have free run, unlike ToS which is a wannabe 3d game. Believe me, I'm no graphics whore. But I just couldn't appreciate ToS even though the battle system is fluid it just doesn't feel natural for a Tales of game. I'm no veteran tales player and everyone would disagree at my statements but I think this game is overrated and does not deserve too much credit:st: .

[Redempteur]

i agree with you on many points actually .. TOL is the funnier of the saga ... ( even if all the tales games did try to have some humor except rebirth too serious in my taste ) TOE is great with his action battle speed.. and by the way i was talking about TOD2 up here not TOE...TOD2 is so skillfully fun ..i love it ...

My point is : i love tales games ...and every tales tried to set things in a diff

[Serpoo]

.
In my opinion, the story of ToS is not as big and spectacular as I thought... anyway, it's a great game, I own it, and I'm happy with it.

I finished it three times by far, but I don't have all the secrets yet... u_u
.

[Redempteur]

that is for sure ...

[Kirbz]

It's an awesome game...and my first into the Tales series..I should try to find the others...at least if any through channels...

I am currently on my second play through, and I have all the cursed weapons (yadda yadda...). Maxwell and Aybission were whiny little whores...I beat them within 8 minutes each. Though, I give props to Aybission killing everyone at one point but Raine...and that was his downfall.

I am currently playing ToL and enjoying it. I am not going to quickly judge it like I normally do when I play a game...but so far it is good.....and deceiving too....you think it is the end of the game, but really...it's just almost half-way through.

[Gundamizer]

Legendia for some reason was my least favorite. Characters weren't as interesting, and neither was the gameplay. Symphonia however I thought was pretty amazing, and Abyss is even better.

[Goshi]

Legendaia looks like it will claim Destiny's rank as Black Sheep of the series actually.

[Gundamizer]

Legendaia looks like it will claim Destiny's rank as Black Sheep of the series actually.

Legendia's battle system was just to simple compared to Symphonia or Abyss. While the much more hectic and fast pace was really good, i think it lacked the hi-Ougi attacks that made Symphonia and Abyss so incredibly satisfying.

[Goshi]

Hi-Ougis were never a big deal for me with Tales games. I haven't played Legendia yet but from what I know the dungeons are terrible and the storyline isn't too good. Another thing that frustrates people is the lack of story voice acting on the 2nd disk in the English version.

[Redempteur]

Another thing that frustrates people is the lack of story voice acting on the 2nd disk in the English version.
this is the only thing bad in legendia Us ..
as for the overall story it's good ( i loved it ) and the dongeon aren't terrible (most of them )some of them are too short ( or too long ) but except in the undergound arena of the island ( sorry spoilers ) they all are good [these 4 undergound temples DO have a bad design ]:st:

[uremog]

in phantasia (maybe destiny?), i remember running from a boss battle once. i wanted to try it so i put on all escape time -10% accessories. it still took forever, and i almost got owned. but i ran from the earth elemental diglett looking guys. and the game kinda f'd up. they were still all there, as i hadn't beaten them, but when i talked to them, they gave me items or somthing and i was stuck. >_> that's what i get for being so curious.

[Kirbz]

Hi-Ougis were never a big deal for me with Tales games. I haven't played Legendia yet but from what I know the dungeons are terrible and the storyline isn't too good. Another thing that frustrates people is the lack of story voice acting on the 2nd disk in the English version.

After you beat the main storyline in the Legendia game and you get to the character quests and such, there's almost no voice acting to be found except for some of the bouncer songs....and select button mini-scenes (similar to what Symphonia had when you were on the main field).

I agree that Legendia is a much simpler version of Symphonia in terms of the battle system (less options for complete customization of skills, no 'styles' to learn, ultra combo attack the same for each character...in the terms of the 'finisher'). There's not as much character development than ToS in Legendia...but I highly think that is due to Symphonia tricking me since it has two discs and therefore must be a bigger adventure (it is though...). However, it terms of overall entertainment between characters and such....both are pretty much the same.

[Redempteur]

did i say that legendia is surely the funnier game in the entire tales saga ?

[MTFMTF]

awesome RPG, master piece

[Epyon]

:\ There goes more comparisons.

Legendia's cast was more developed in terms of personality and background. If you played through the character quests, you'll see why (but kill Shirley, please...). Of course the battle system is simple because they're done by a different team (the Soul Calibur team, from what I was told) and its trying to mirror the old PS1 Tales not ToS...

As for ToS, it's a great game but highly overrated here in America. Abyss owns it in everyway.

[Jackgar]

No question that Abyss is far superior to Legendia. And ya know why?

BAM!

Feels like Symphonia part 2, really. Really feels like the spiritual successor to an incredible game. And that's why Abyss does own Symphonia, because it's built on top of an already great engine.

[shikamaru7]

Ya i love this game, i've played through about 5 times now (i was just doing a different character relationship)
im working up grade to get the 10x exp. upgrade along with all the other usual upgrades for my net game

[Ryomou Shimei]

Hi I have the GC version of Tales of Symphonia and I´m currently playing it for the second time and ever since I´ve played it, I´m wondering if the Componist of the OST is Motoi Sakuraba is. The Melody of the Title Screen reminds me of the Theme of Rena from Star Ocean and I hope somebody can tell me were I can get the OST, unfortunaly couldn´t I find the OST in Germany. Does somebody know a torrent?