Should we revive the "no DDL"-rule?

[Atachi]

Ata is getting pissed of all the direct downloads cluttering the discussion sections.
We're a torrent-site, damnit!

Even worse: DDLs, that are on and the like have been spotted.


I do not care if someone says: "but that way the files are alive longer".
Own fault if you only leech and run.

If i can keep alive my files for half a year, anyone with broadband (= anything better than dialup) can do it.

[ShadowRFox]

Well if cluttering the section is the only problem why not just make a sticky thread for each section for people to post direct downloads links.

[Covvie]

An alternative to torrent is good for small files and patches, like DDlinks for example.

But hey, you're the admin. Do as you will.

[Atachi]

An alternative to torrent is good for small files and patches, like DDlinks for example.

But hey, you're the admin. Do as you will.not talking about patches or savegames...

i'm talking about stuff >5MB (full manga, full game, ....)

[dogooder]

If i can keep alive my files for half a year, anyone with broadband (= anything better than dialup) can do it.
I think that posting ddl here is not right, but I cannot fully agree with your opinion about broadband. I think that most users here have ADSL with speed around 512/128 so they can't seed file so long(they may want dl other files and some trackers have up/down limitations). I think it will be better for auto-tracking dead treads. I see it like this - after dl and some seeding man can enable option like 'call me when there will be 0 seeds and >10 peers', and when it's triggered, he automatically get PM about his promise to seed this file. I understand that this option can cause significant memory and hard disk space in forum engine but maybe you can bring up more elegant realization of my idea?

Now we can post that ppl can PM us to ask for seeding but what about 1000+ posts threads?

[seorang]

Again, its not about banning direct downloads entirely. With files of less than 50MB, might be easier to put it on direct download than torrent it.

Using ad-referral upload based filesharing sites do not help your cause. is disliked for obvious reasons, and depositfiles is crap since they forward you to megaupload and the like if you're not willing to pay for their premium accounts (so it becomes double waiting), so you're better off just not using both sites.

Again its about balance. Putting up a thread for h-manga of a certain genre and regularly updating is one thing, but constantly creating new threads advertising your own site or trying to gain referrals is another.

As for chinese torrents reposters, I've got no problems as long as they can guarantee a minimum amount of quality. That minimum amount of quality includes the uploader here actually seeding the torrent and making sure the torrent contents work. Reposting torrents that you don't even download/seed or test is not quality.


I think that posting ddl here is not right, but I cannot fully agree with your opinion about broadband. I think that most users here have ADSL with speed around 512/128 so they can't seed file so long(they may want dl other files and some trackers have up/down limitations). I think it will be better for auto-tracking dead treads. I see it like this - after dl and some seeding man can enable option like 'call me when there will be 0 seeds and >10 peers', and when it's triggered, he automatically get PM about his promise to seed this file. I understand that this option can cause significant memory and hard disk space in forum engine but maybe you can bring up more elegant realization of my idea?

Now we can post that ppl can PM us to ask for seeding but what about 1000+ posts threads?
I'm not so sure whether 512/128 is the standard broadband connection for Hongfire users.

Example.
http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1005
According to the poll there, the two most common groups of broadband users on Hongfire should be on 1500/256 or SDSL. Yes, its an old poll, but wouldn't that mean that peoples' broadband connection would've improved some in the last year or two? Many of Hongfire users are from the American and European continents, so 1500/256 or better broadband as the standard is not surprising.

Auto-tracking dead torrents/threads has problems of its own. First, alot of torrents on Hongfire are not locally tracked, since the Hongfire tracker has only been ressurrected recently. Hard to check for seed/peer count on torrents that ain't on our tracker.

Second, once the seeder has finished with the initial seeding, I'd say its up to the swarm to keep on seeding. You wanna bother the seeder with reseed requests, he got less time to put up new torrents. Thats why we have the forum for people to bump with reseed requests, so that others can reseed and help out, and lessen the burden on the uploaders.

[rhapsody9]

No. Well, that's what I think to say the least. Why not just find a way to group the DDLs in one section? Then apply rules like "No , depositfiles etc..."

[Kouji-kun]

Ya but you see here in Singapore, with the recent news on torrent crack downing, we can't use torrents - the only alternative left is DDL. And i read somewhere on the history archives of Hongfire that ALOT of Hongfire patrons are from SG.

[seorang]

Ya but you see here in Singapore, with the recent news on torrent crack downing, we can't use torrents - the only alternative left is DDL. And i read somewhere on the history archives of Hongfire that ALOT of Hongfire patrons are from SG.
With all due respect, singapore's transparent proxy ain't that great for working DDLs either. I've heard many times friends tell me that they can't use rapidshare or whatnot since they share the same singapore IP.

And, most stuff on hongfire is not what the singapore companies are not hunting in the crackdown.

[Kouji-kun]

With all due respect, singapore's transparent proxy ain't that great for working DDLs either. I've heard many times friends tell me that they can't use rapidshare or whatnot since they share the same singapore IP.

Yeah our dynamic IP system is crap but there are anime DDL hosting sites that we can use. And we probably wanna continue using those services.

And i'm also pretty sure a number of other people out there would, too, enjoy DDL and prefer it over torrenting.

[msea]

As a matter of fact, DDL ain't working with most sharing sites due to IP restrictions (I hate singapore's transparent IP restrictions, but heck, we can't afford to be choosy can we?). Also alot of patrons from singapore isn't classified as being active most of the time in HongFire, some just come in here every now and then for hentai or whatnot without even posting.

Besides there's other methods in torrenting, you just need to figure it out on what to get and what not to get. Eitherway, don't take it as an offense tho, I'm simply voicing out on what I truly feel about this issue.

[seorang]

Yeah our dynamic IP system is crap but there are anime DDL hosting sites that we can use. And we probably wanna continue using those services.

And i'm also pretty sure a number of other people out there would, too, enjoy DDL and prefer it over torrenting.
And I'm also sure a number of people enjoy DDL since they don't have to reseed back.

Lets clarify the topic here - the poll about this no DDLs rule applies to Hongfire content. Nobody on Hongfire cares what http downloads you do off 4chan and other places, nor can we at Hongfire control it anyway.

I'm actually not in favour of the rule entirely, but I think some filesharing sites should be banned. And posters spamming their own direct downloading site and such links should be removed. We're not here to for others to profit off referrals from Hongfire users.

[vrejakti]

I'd prefer the no DDL ban stay in effect. DDL's last longest the less visible they are (as in the case of DDL's to copyrighted materials). Soon as links start popping up all over the place forcing them out of the quiet underground, the owners start seeing legal threats and take down notices. Leechers don't care, they just look for another source. The guy running the DDL has to deal with the possible litigation. Ask people via PM for direct download links. Don't clutter the forums, and everyone's happy. If it's a DDL as part of the torrent package, maybe PM the thread starter and ask him to edit it in.

Just my two cents, considering the perspective of someone running an underground DDL server.

[dogooder]

Again, its not about banning direct downloads entirely. With files of less than 50MB, might be easier to put it on direct download than torrent it.

Using ad-referral upload based filesharing sites do not help your cause. is disliked for obvious reasons, and depositfiles is crap since they forward you to megaupload and the like if you're not willing to pay for their premium accounts (so it becomes double waiting), so you're better off just not using both sites.

Again its about balance. Putting up a thread for h-manga of a certain genre and regularly updating is one thing, but constantly creating new threads advertising your own site or trying to gain referrals is another.

I'm not so sure whether 512/128 is the standard broadband connection for Hongfire users.

Example.
http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1005
According to the poll there, the two most common groups of broadband users on Hongfire should be on 1500/256 or SDSL. Yes, its an old poll, but wouldn't that mean that peoples' broadband connection would've improved some in the last year or two? Many of Hongfire users are from the American and European continents, so 1500/256 or better broadband as the standard is not surprising.

Auto-tracking dead torrents/threads has problems of its own. First, alot of torrents on Hongfire are not locally tracked, since the Hongfire tracker has only been ressurrected recently. Hard to check for seed/peer count on torrents that ain't on our tracker.

Second, once the seeder has finished with the initial seeding, I'd say its up to the swarm to keep on seeding. You wanna bother the seeder with reseed requests, he got less time to put up new torrents. Thats why we have the forum for people to bump with reseed requests, so that others can reseed and help out, and lessen the burden on the uploaders.

Agree. Those people can have now much better speed, but what about newcomers like me? Maybe we should do test about net speed again to see what type of connection most ppl use now?

About usercache and depositfiles etc - yeah, here we got a problem - often they have restrictions on IP-addresses so ppl with one external IP will hinder each other.

Autotracking torrents not stored locally - I've made a mistake, my bad. To do smtg like this is really hard work (as we need to cooperate somehow with various other trackers).

And last - who said that only seeder himself will get PM? I've said about need of some automation (and only if this will not prevent tracker to work correctly) cause of scale of Hongfire network. You see - 1.there are so much users and 2.so much of them didn't know japanese language well enough and 3. There are many very large threads (1000+) and so on. I think it's a right thing to do although I understand that it's simpler to say than to do :)

[Sturmvogel Prime]

Direct DownLoads are not bad, if they don't lead you to paysites

[Desmonthes]

Unless you can make sure that there is not a link contain licensed material, the server is in US anyway.
And for people who votes in the polls, if you don't post and state the reason, your vote in nulled :rolleyes: SARCASM

[Shiroki Okane]

Save the ddl links in txt files and put the txt files in torrents.

[nick64]

Im perfectly fine with the direct downloads, but it does get clustered alot, i think one option is to create a sticky topic dedicated to the downloads, while someone keeps a regular update on the first post with the details and links of the downloads. It will help keep the clustering down and will help hongfire members who can't use torrenting at all.

Of course, the problem is, finding the people to actively update the first post when something new arrives.

[Sphie]

As far as I remember, HongFire is a torrent site and not a direct download site, so I don't see why peoples have to put direct download stuffs.
Also, unlike rapidshit and such, you don't get problem over stuffs you uploaded that gets deleted for no reason whatsoever.
Also voting against noobs idiots who repost torrents from chinese websites without checking the content beforeward.
What if it contains virus?
IMO those types of peoples should be banned as all they do is repost potential trojaned archives and aren't even seeding to begin with.
Also there's a fact that if the chinese tracker becomes private, the torrent will end up obsolete.

[blozzee]

how "torrent" won't end up obsolete if the ISP keeps throttling the users ~_~

[Rick]

And for people who votes in the polls, if you don't post and state the reason, your vote in nulled :rolleyes: SARCASM

As far as I remember, HongFire is a torrent site and not a direct download site, so I don't see why peoples have to put direct download stuffs.
Since you asked for it :rolleyes: :
As surprising as this may be to some people, I didn't join HF for the torrents in the first place and I don't recall of downloading anything via torrent from here. But I do get some stuff from here every once in a while -- mostly H-images/mangas and doujinshi. The ones I get tend to have less than 50 MB of size so I see no point in using torrents for them. Therefore, I am a supporter of DDLs and I liked some ideas/sugestions here so far such as:

I'm actually not in favour of the rule entirely, but I think some filesharing sites should be banned. And posters spamming their own direct downloading site and such links should be removed. We're not here to for others to profit off referrals from Hongfire users.

Direct DownLoads are not bad, if they don't lead you to paysites

Save the ddl links in txt files and put the txt files in torrents.
@Atachi: No offence/flame-bait intended here, but you should keep in mind the fact that HongFire may be mainly a torrent-site but it is NOT only a torrent-site. But I totally agree that we should do something about the "direct downloads cluttering the discussion sections" issue.

[JimBond007]

Save the ddl links in txt files and put the txt files in torrents.
Not stupid at all. However, it's the own decisions of the torrenter(s) to add a .txt file with DDL.

IMO, I'm not against DDL for patches, mods (take a look on SB3 thread (http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57776)), small doujins, pics packs, OSTs, songs in mp3, etc... but if it's only small files.

For games and hgames, I'm totally disagree, I still prefer torrent for the simple reasons that :
_ DDL Sites, they often delete 'Licensed material'.
_ it'll piss me off to see my DDL that I have uploaded for many hours (I'm talking about hgames or pc games, often over 2 gb. In my case, I have never uploaded games or hgames, I'm thinking about the others big torrenters ^^) deleted a few days later.
_ people trying to earn money with HF members (HF has almost 400.000 members)
PS: I saw a Junior member trying a few months ago to earn money by posting DDL.

In my view, I think we need to rule DDL.
Example : 100-150 mb maximum for doujins, HCG...
200-250 mb for OSTs (nowadays it's often around 200-250 mb, encoded in 320 mp3)
No limit for patches and mods.
Games and Hgames aren't allowed.
etc...

[suki]

Ya but you see here in Singapore, with the recent news on torrent crack downing, we can't use torrents - the only alternative left is DDL. And i read somewhere on the history archives of Hongfire that ALOT of Hongfire patrons are from SG.

im using torrent in singapore as well >.< what did they actually cracking down?

are they cracking it on "server & host" level or worst "user" level? i assume this mostly would concern with "unwanted content" is it?

as for DDL problems from what i read the problem still pretty much same stuff; paysites link, cluttering threads and file sizes vs efficiency (aka torrent) i think some of the good ideas has been posted here; create seperate thread for DDL if necessary and enforce a DDL rules

additionally you might be able to find a HF "approved" DDL sites (savefile, FF, RS&MU? *gulp* let people decide) for hosting DDLed files as to reduce paysite links (or waiting time perhaps) or one that could give the site hard times -- upsize file limit and with the file size rule, enforce the DDLed files to be zipped and upload as attachment here instead given the files would be small such as saves or patches and such

[99nights]

I see why some are pissed. I mean all those people who want to make money on by using deposit files but I don't want the DDL thing go away. I use Mediafire or megaupload because I don't know how to torrent things and my upload rate is just about 180kb :( I could try it though but I'm afraid the torrent upload rate would be super slow...I can only seed one torrent at the time...

[wintypes]

As for me, I keep putting the scanlations that HF Loli releases on rapidshare,
megaupload and sharebigfile. One of them has to work :p And the sizes of the
files are around 10MB max.
If there's anything wrong with that, please let me know, I'll try to find another
solution then.

[dogooder]

I see why some are pissed. I mean all those people who want to make money on by using deposit files but I don't want the DDL thing go away. I use Mediafire or megaupload because I don't know how to torrent things and my upload rate is just about 180kb :( I could try it though but I'm afraid the torrent upload rate would be super slow...I can only seed one torrent at the time...

If you don't know how to create new torrent, read FAQ.
180 kbits or kbytes?
I only had problems with eMule, torrent take as much as he can from my line.

[terumi56]

o_o well i would say no to DDL's it just starts to get repetitive. As for torrents tho not many people have room to keep torrenting and downloading at the same time. myself included i already fried one dvd burner just trying to get the stuff onto disc fast enough. although i plan to get an external hdd to solve this lack of space problem i have. Laptops seriously lack hdd space and since i primarily use wireless my desktop which has all the hdd space doesnt even have a connection to the net XD 500 gigs but no connection ... kinda pointless. Im half for it and half against it =O but even i prefer using torrents rather than DDL's.

[Randomshinichi]

Supporting DDLs because there's no way to get real torrent speeds through any Malaysian ISP. Connections work through Tor, I2P, VPN and the like, but SecureIX is quite slow, and I don't like to pay more for a VPN when I'm already paying for internet.

What's the beef against Chinese reposters anyway? 2djgame.com is not very happy about there being more users over here you know.

[99nights]

If you don't know how to create new torrent, read FAQ.
180 kbits or kbytes?
I only had problems with eMule, torrent take as much as he can from my line.

I created one now. Didn't post it yet but my upload speed is 200kbps :(
Tested it today again.

[seorang]

Supporting DDLs because there's no way to get real torrent speeds through any Malaysian ISP. Connections work through Tor, I2P, VPN and the like, but SecureIX is quite slow, and I don't like to pay more for a VPN when I'm already paying for internet.

What's the beef against Chinese reposters anyway? 2djgame.com is not very happy about there being more users over here you know.
Haha. TMnuts sucks arse.

2djgame? Never heard of them.

[Lisa Hayes]

2djgame is a chinese forum? (correct me if i'm wrong) that operates much like HF.

I don't see the need of a competition between them. It's the users that decide which is better among them anyway.

and yes, there are revisions concerning this issue.

one thing is certain, we will not allow paysite links posted in the forums.

[Sphie]

Since you asked for it :rolleyes: :
As surprising as this may be to some people, I didn't join HF for the torrents in the first place and I don't recall of downloading anything via torrent from here. But I do get some stuff from here every once in a while -- mostly H-images/mangas and doujinshi. The ones I get tend to have less than 50 MB of size so I see no point in using torrents for them. Therefore, I am a supporter of DDLs and I liked some ideas/sugestions here so far such as
You are obviously a noob.
I didn't come for the torrents, especially as I haven't leeched over 500MB of stuffs in 3 years alltogether, but I believe HongFire was supposed to be a tracker and not a rapidshit leeching site.
Shragei has done some effort and actually managed to get us a working tracker back, so I think it'd be nice to actually give him a bit of credits for it and use the tracker he brought us back :)
Of course I don't mind ddl, but what you put as ddl won't end up on torrent which is a shame IMO.

[TSR]

Hmm. Personally, why not create a set of subforums for DDLs? Solves the clutter issue pretty nicely, because that is the biggest problem I really see. Paysites and such are already forbidden, so that's not really part of the issue. Same general rules as torrents, uploaders or reposters are responsible for content. Nothing says DDLs cannot be torrented, as well. Some of our better uploaders offer files both ways already. Though, in general, DDLs are usually better for smaller files and torrents are more efficient for larger ones.

As for all that 'I don't come here for torrents/DDLs/whatever.' Who cares? Not part of the issue. If you don't want them, don't mess with them. That's why we have a torrent subforum and why we should have a DDL subforum. People who don't care don't have to visit and won't have to deal with the clutter. Then, it's only the staff that has to moderate stuff who needs to be pissed off all the time.

A lot of people come here for downloads. I see no reason not to offer them a choice of venues, especially because quite a lot of folks have all sorts of different capabilities, limitations and preferences. So long as rules are reasonably enforced, it's only the staff that is put out by all this. I'm not sure why it's even an issue for anybody else. More ways to download more stuff makes more happy campers, so far as I can see.

As for the reposting issue, it's already covered, too. Proprietary material is forbidden and uploaders are required to make sure their content is clean and downloadable for a reasonable period of time so that other members can have the opportunity to reshare when the original either goes unseeded, in the case of torrents, or dies, in the case of DDLs.

So what are the major issues, again? Besides clutter and perhaps some fine tuning of rules about file hosting services and sites, I don't really see much to talk about, here. What other chronic problems are there that aren't already covered by existing rules?

And, in case anybody hasn't picked up on it, I am in favor of keeping DDLs. My major point is simply increasing the organizational level by giving them their own place to live. Yay, segregation.

ja ne

[Gentleman2Rent]

I share the oppinion of TSR in general...

I don´t completely dislike DDL for small files it´s just the right way (small means < 50 mb IMO). But there should be a space for them... Where the forum says "discussion" there should be only discussion, not 500 mb split into 20 parts DDL announcements. That´s just annoying and doesn´t match the reason of a discussion forum.

But they shouldn´t be forbidden, just moved to the place where they belong to. So everyone interested in downloading them (with a waiting time of an hour/day between each single part ;) ) knows where to find them.

And some DDL-links should be allowed. No complete games, CGs, Movies, no [Download]-Threads. But mod´s for games i.e.

[Littledgn]

I like direct downloads from upload sites for small stuff. Especially older small stuff, since we don't have to worry about a seeder and speeds, of course.

Make a separate section if you want.

It's kinda funny how we seem to be complaining about clutter again. Didn't we talk about it, propose many solutions and not do much about it last time?

If this site really were just a torrent site, it would look more like one really...

[Merek]

Hmm. Personally, why not create a set of subforums for DDLs? Solves the clutter issue pretty nicely, because that is the biggest problem I really see. Paysites and such are already forbidden, so that's not really part of the issue. Same general rules as torrents, uploaders or reposters are responsible for content. Nothing says DDLs cannot be torrented, as well. Some of our better uploaders offer files both ways already. Though, in general, DDLs are usually better for smaller files and torrents are more efficient for larger ones.

As for all that 'I don't come here for torrents/DDLs/whatever.' Who cares? Not part of the issue. If you don't want them, don't mess with them. That's why we have a torrent subforum and why we should have a DDL subforum. People who don't care don't have to visit and won't have to deal with the clutter. Then, it's only the staff that has to moderate stuff who needs to be pissed off all the time.

A lot of people come here for downloads. I see no reason not to offer them a choice of venues, especially because quite a lot of folks have all sorts of different capabilities, limitations and preferences. So long as rules are reasonably enforced, it's only the staff that is put out by all this. I'm not sure why it's even an issue for anybody else. More ways to download more stuff makes more happy campers, so far as I can see.

As for the reposting issue, it's already covered, too. Proprietary material is forbidden and uploaders are required to make sure their content is clean and downloadable for a reasonable period of time so that other members can have the opportunity to reshare when the original either goes unseeded, in the case of torrents, or dies, in the case of DDLs.

So what are the major issues, again? Besides clutter and perhaps some fine tuning of rules about file hosting services and sites, I don't really see much to talk about, here. What other chronic problems are there that aren't already covered by existing rules?

And, in case anybody hasn't picked up on it, I am in favor of keeping DDLs. My major point is simply increasing the organizational level by giving them their own place to live. Yay, segregation.

ja ne


What he said. The way I see it, more downloads = better, regardless. If they come up with a way of filesharing that involves string, tin cans and carrier pigeons, I'm game.

Direct dl, like all methods of file sharing, has it's ups and downs. Torrents are still my all-around favorite, but they can take FOREVER sometimes, and direct dl is a quick-and-dirty way around that. I hate rapidshare as much as the next guy, but if there's something rare I've really been trying to get my hands on, a rapidshare link sure beats nothing at all.

[Draenix]

I don't mind using DDL for files up to 200MB, but any files that are larger than that, then there is no choice but to use torrents because some sites have limits.

I say, suit yourselves - download from whichever is faster or convenient for you! :D

[Otase]

I say No, DDL works best for most people so we should have both DDL & Torrent (also the rule to not use could be added)


You are obviously a noob.
I didn't come for the torrents, especially as I haven't leeched over 500MB of stuffs in 3 years alltogether, but I believe HongFire was supposed to be a tracker and not a rapidshit leeching site.
Shragei has done some effort and actually managed to get us a working tracker back, so I think it'd be nice to actually give him a bit of credits for it and use the tracker he brought us back :)
Of course I don't mind ddl, but what you put as ddl won't end up on torrent which is a shame IMO.

Theres nothing wrong being a noob.

[Shintogara]

I agree with the small size DDL option and organizing it beter.

DDl might not be what a tracker is really all about, but it is also a way of sharing files.

[level3]

Yes to DDL if a DDL section is opened or simply ban it. Letting DDL threads float in the discussion section is an eyesore, I know.

The advantage of DDL are... It provides an alternative and in fact more effective. Not only the hosting duration but instead of everyone seeding the same stuff, people can upload different stuff from time to time. It also works better for fullfilling request for some rare old dishes. Large files are ok too for some spaces that allow download tools. Can grab 2 DVD per day with my slow connection...

The bad thing is, some spaces are bad enough that not all user can download. Uploaders occasionally need to upload more than once to various spaces. And avoid rapidshare, it's bearly good until you pay for it.

Just bear in mind that it does take some effort to manage such a section and keep it active.

[Dingaling]

What's with the "Yes, but do something about the chinese torrent reposters" option? What's that supposed to mean...? DDLs are helpful, so I don't want em to go.

[Sphie]

What's with the "Yes, but do something about the chinese torrent reposters" option? What's that supposed to mean...? DDLs are helpful, so I don't want em to go.
Because they post potential fake torrents coming from Chinese torrent sites.
What happens when you don't know what's in a torrent? It could be trojaned too, that's why I believe these types of stuffs shouldn't be allowed.

[Ranma Saotome]

Like other people said if there are DDL sections and rules on what sites you can and can not use.

[Razor7826]

I say allow DDL, as long as the posters use a variety of sites; I never have any problems with them except for short term transfer limit.

Most people have a connection speed fast enough to use DDL.

[jr0904]

NO WAY!Reviving it is a bad idea.I have no problem with it,and it's the same with other users.Don't see a reason to revive it.EVER!Unless a lot of vetran users or the host server or the server admin requested it.Then there's on other choice.

[bobuild01]

HMMM guess I already voted on this but never posted. In my tiny community we have three highspeed options, ADSL(throttled or too far from hub ATT), cable(businesses get priority comcast) or satellite(unreliable hughes). I have used all three and settled on junky ATT(200max/56max). Even so I would rather use a reliable torrent because too many times a DDL just takes me all over the web before the download starts, wants me to pay to download(and I thought usenet/freenet was free, lol), or fills up my browser cache with garbage I would rather not recieve. Usually if the download is completed there is no support, unless it is from one of the clubs/members here. I see there are good reasons for both sides of the issue and sometimes the only way to get a file IS DDL. I would rather see a subforum for larger just DDL posts so the discussion threads are navigable. Small DDL are already handled by the attachment system and the modding and club communities already have their own systems in place handling that. One thing I would not like is a torrent that only has links to a DDL, duh. I like a torrent to directly share through my client. My biggest peeve is the number of torrents that are just reposts without actually getting the file, testing, and then reposting. RANT Example: here is a post, won't download, wont test, wont make sure it is virus free, now give me my reps. RANT off. Oh well, as far as piracy/sharing sites go HF is better than most I use.

[StarDuster]

I've always found DDL to be extremely helpful in a variety of cases and I'm sure MANY others do as well (judging by the votes). Why impose a rule that will only knee-cap so many faithful members when there are plenty of alternatives posted above?

I know my word might not count for much but I've been quietly lurking and seeding here for years contributing when I can. I'd hate to see DDLs go.

Just my $0.02

[DarkKitsumi]

Sometimes DDLs are very helpful, especially when all the torrents you find are dead. Usually DDLs are kept alive for a long time on MF and MU.

[GhostLover]

Why did you revive this thread after a year and a half?:rolleyes:

[DarkKitsumi]

Why did you revive this thread after a year and a half?:rolleyes:

I didn't notice..o_o; Whoops.