Unbelievable drawings

[Soul of Sword]

These pictures were drawn by using pencil only
Believe it or not ?


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/mj9889/20050312_isgm_184611.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/mj9889/20050312_isgm_184221.jpg

[ShadowRFox]

Amazing. The first picture look like it was drawn by pencil only but the second look like it was drawn by pencil and then edited by the computer. Some one spent a lot of timeon those 2 picture

[wyze]

being an artist myself i can easily believe this. learn how to blend correctly from light to dark and train ur eye's to better see lighting and u can produce some really great work. artists like lee hammond specialize in this kind of stuff. for more great pieces i suggest going to epilogue.net. those pictures r still nothing short of amazing, thanks for sharing it's great to see great non anime pieces once in a while ne.

[sf101]

I wouldn't call it unbelievable but the artist that did those is odviously a master of his craft. I question the second picture how ever. I can't put my finger on it but something doesn't seem right like motion capture animation(metaphor don't take it litteraly). Even if it isn't done by pencil alone it is still a good drawing.

[orka]

I'll believe that it's done all by hand.

I mean, Dali's work preceded the days of computer graphics by decades... and they're still some of the most mind bending art imagery today.

[Gennocyde]

yo guys being an artist myself and after seeing some of the stuff that the "old guys did" i can believe that those 2 drawings are all pencil but if u want sumtin to really make u wonder this drawing by "CHARLES SHEELER (1883-1965):feline felicity(1934) its done in conte' crayon on white paper this guy is a master osf shading and doing it to a continuous tone as well i worked at that and im pretty good at it now but if this drawin dosent change ur mind nothin much will

.....MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..(insert evil laugh here)yosh! :cool:

[xspeed]

Hmmm, those are really nice. I give props to anyone that can draw hands. I myself have problems with hands. It's those pesky lines you know. :D

[daeyna]

The second one is obviously an homage to (or rip-off of) Escher's Drawing Hands (http://www.mcescher.com/Gallery/back-bmp/LW355.jpg). I guess the homage is a bit more realistic, but not entirely convincing either. Escher's is a lithograph; I'm unable to figure out on the web how exactly he produced the "masters" for lithography... but you can bet it wasn't Photoshop, since he made in in 1948.

[Denamic]

There sure are amazing people out there.

[Soul of Sword]

i can hardly believe at the first sight
but i gradually believe it after reading ur replies
thanks ^^

[Radeonator]

well, there is something much more amazing out there in the internet.
for example, go here:

www.gizart.com


anyway, what did you call these? :D

http://www.gizart.com/Decorazione_vivente.jpg

[maekhamin]

photo manipulation.... isn't it? i dunno....

[Gennocyde]

y was it so hard to believe i mean if u look through the years at what alot of ppl have done an i mean the real strange things y is this so hard to believe i mean if u awanna question art go back to the days of (vincent van gogh) and see what he did in onlt ten years of his life he spent 2 years learnin to draw an had a heck of a time especially with hands for example look at hs drawin called (carpenter) he had major problems with proportions and placement ...totally not cool....but 2 years later he did (woman mourning) u can see the drastic differenxce how he had over come his problems an had greatly improved as an alroung artist...only thing i'm sorry bout is i dont have a scanner to up load the pics to show u all but alot a things out there are really possible if u stop to think about them .......muhahahahahahahahahahah(insert evil laugh here)yosh! :cool:

[Xebi]

oh don't worry, I believe you, the mightiest weapon is still the pencil ^_~
I've seen more detailed and realistic things created by the pencil so I'm very open about what is possible.

[Bubblemonkey]

y was it so hard to believe i mean if u look through the years at what alot of ppl have done an i mean the real strange things y is this so hard to believe i mean if u awanna question art go back to the days of (vincent van gogh) and see what he did in onlt ten years of his life he spent 2 years learnin to draw an had a heck of a time especially with hands for example look at hs drawin called (carpenter) he had major problems with proportions and placement ...totally not cool....but 2 years later he did (woman mourning) u can see the drastic differenxce how he had over come his problems an had greatly improved as an alroung artist...only thing i'm sorry bout is i dont have a scanner to up load the pics to show u all but alot a things out there are really possible if u stop to think about them .......muhahahahahahahahahahah(insert evil laugh here)yosh! :cool:
OMG. What the hell happened to all the punctuation? :p

Still, I was baffled, too, on to how some people find it hard to believe that people are capable of drawing photorealistic pieces with pencil, conte, charcoal, whatever. People work for years to refine they're techniques, and some people have refined it to the point where it's almost effortless. Even I've made a few pieces that people have mistaken for photographs (though I was using photographic references, so that's sort of cheating :p ), and I'm nowhere near as good at illustration as I'd like to be.

There are tons of artists out there, most who've been at it most of they're lives. Unfortunately, people don't seem to notice their work anymore (it's cool that the people in this thread are teh exception). It's sad that the barrage of photomanipulation and digital art has made the efforts of traditional paper medium artists seem less significant (traditional pieces aren't as flashy as the digital/photomanipulation pieces).

[Xebi]

It's sad that the barrage of photomanipulation and digital art has made the efforts of traditional paper medium artists seem less significant (traditional pieces aren't as flashy as the digital/photomanipulation pieces).
Yup, that's with most nowadays, landscapes and realistic paintings or drawings aren't apreciated as much anymore as they deserve thanks to photography.
Also the fact that people nowadays enchance pictures so much on the computer just totaly outdoes the handworks... wich is so sad cause it's true... while real hand works are the real arts cause that took time, that had inspiration, motivation and a meaning.
Think about it, you wouldn't spent hours and hours, maybe even days to draw something so photorealistic just for a short moment of fun.

It actualy shocks me everytime I hear my dad mention "art doesn't need effort, as long as it looks"

And it's sad, but supposedly true, seeming it's only the final product of the artist we get to see, and that's what we take enough with....

[RolfPlus]

I'm an art major, and it can be noted that most Master artists (old guys!) Started with extreme realism, then moved in their own direction.

A good example would be Van Gogh, or Wayne Theibaud. Flip through an art book at a library... the paintings and drawings go from almost mind-bendingly photo-realistic to the other end of abstract and crazy as they get older.

As stated earlier in this post, as well, art is certainly less time-intensive and dedicated as it used to be. Back in the Reniassance, a man could spend his ENTIRE LIFE making a stained glass window for a cathedral.

Don't quite see that kind of dedication in one's craft anymore. Although I did read about a German man who was digging a tunnel by hand to a town in Poland as a piece of performance art. I think it was supposed to take about 800 years.

[erorororo]

Yup, that's with most nowadays, landscapes and realistic paintings or drawings aren't apreciated as much anymore as they deserve thanks to photography.
Also the fact that people nowadays enchance pictures so much on the computer just totaly outdoes the handworks... wich is so sad cause it's true... while real hand works are the real arts cause that took time, that had inspiration, motivation and a meaning.
Think about it, you wouldn't spent hours and hours, maybe even days to draw something so photorealistic just for a short moment of fun.

It actualy shocks me everytime I hear my dad mention "art doesn't need effort, as long as it looks"

And it's sad, but supposedly true, seeming it's only the final product of the artist we get to see, and that's what we take enough with....



Don't quite see that kind of dedication in one's craft anymore.


well, nowadays the only people who do landscapes n' portraits are the ones you find in malls.

Though it takes skill n' all, they can get pretty boring. Like that pencil drawing, it's a great feat of endurance and all, but other than that it's not very interesting.

I wouldn't say that 'people don't spend as much time anymore', nah... they just do it in a different way. look at some of the manga out there. Kentaro Miura (with some assissants, but hey, even the rennaissance guys had assisstants) cranks out Berserk every week. Hagiwara, who does Bastard!!, has suffered two or three mental breakdowns from just working too damn hard. The Battle Angel Alita guy almost died because he got a work related illness. Do you know what he did? Since he thought he was going to die, he pushed himself even harder to finish Battle Angel Alita (now that he's recovered and realised he's not dying, he's gone back to the series to do the longer extensions he wanted to do)

His name escapes me right now, but there's an animator in Japan known for single handedly animating entire scenes by himself, even more impressive is that his solo work is usually the best in a series, and he even lip syncs (something that is never done in anime). Examples of his work would be... in Naruto the 1st Orochimaru fight, the Rock Lee/Gaara fight, the Hokage/Orochimaru fight, and the Naruto/Sasuke fight.

Look at the creator of Astro Boy, Osamu Tezuka. At the time of his death, they calculated that he had drawn about... 10 pages a day, for his entire life. He was only in his 60's when he died, and a week earlier had been working on another manga. The guy literally shortened his life with his dedication.
Being a manga artist in a popular magazine like Shonen Jump, or being an animator at a busy studio requires just as much, or even more dedication than painting big realistic landscapes and whatnot.

So yeah, you forgot to factor in psycho Japanese willpower into this conversation. Doing 15-20 pages a week for years is dedication :D


*I believe realism in portraits n' landscapes are fundamental skills to know though. I've painted portraits and landscapes, but sure don't see a future in that alone, but rather just see it as part of gaining experience in art skills. Like doing pushups n' running, exept for artistic ability.

[FireXian]

Reminds me of those chalk drawings on the floor that look extremely real. There was one in which the artist crated a hole on the ground and it looked real enough to fall through.

[RolfPlus]

well, nowadays the only people who do landscapes n' portraits are the ones you find in malls.

Though it takes skill n' all, they can get pretty boring. Like that pencil drawing, it's a great feat of endurance and all, but other than that it's not very interesting.

Well... I find that after having a lot of experience, I can start to pick apart the sort of 'hidden meaning' almost that's lying under what might just appear to be a boring landscape or a portrait. Call it... an artist's language!


The Battle Angel Alita guy almost died because he got a work related illness. Do you know what he did? Since he thought he was going to die, he pushed himself even harder to finish Battle Angel Alita (now that he's recovered and realised he's not dying, he's gone back to the series to do the longer extensions he wanted to do)

Yukito Kishiro! Last Order is definately a sort of defining piece of work among manga, much like what Otomo did with Akira, or what Shirow does with... well, pretty much anything he touches.

Amazing art in anime and manga is nothing to be laughed at, but it is a commercial and capitalistic endeavor! I'm sure there are artists aspiring to do something more fantastic with their skills, and end up just handling a storyline that an editor handed to them instead. It has a market, and it caters to the audience in many ways. That's why it's nice to find something that really means something significant, and at the same time has mass appeal. Think anything from our pals at Gainax. =)

I'd like to see your artwork, too, erorororo! It's nice to find other people that draw on hongfire.

[erorororo]

I don't think commercial gain cheapens art in any way though (nor do I consider work that makes no money any more 'special'), if it's good it's good, if it's not then it's not. Shakespeare wrote plays 'cause he was making a living, the Sistine chapel was built because the Church had massive amounts of money to spend to visualize their dominance, Mona Lisa is a commissioned portrait.
I also think having the idea that "commercial=not as pure" is in itself a perversion of the idea of art. With that attitude, one might get arrogant, and ones thoughts would be tainted with that idea. Why wouldn't good art get attention and bring the artist wealth?

The relationship between editor and author/artist is not something I know too much about, but I'd think a good editor would only help. So then they're a team, I'd see it more like a partnership than master/slave. I've heard many jokes though from editors who say their real job is just to get the artist to finish his work on time.

now... there is a problem though when the sole focus is commercial, and you only use focus groups and test strategies to try and make a 'product that sells' (problem with Disney nowadays). So to me, even for commercial gain, unique and well done works with real heart in them still stands out.

An artist doesn't have to be poor :p
at least the good ones :D

[Anaxa da Zing]

I wouldn't call it unbelievable but the artist that did those is odviously a master of his craft. I question the second picture how ever. I can't put my finger on it but something doesn't seem right like motion capture animation(metaphor don't take it litteraly). Even if it isn't done by pencil alone it is still a good drawing.

I agree with you.

[Anaxa da Zing]

And, what do you do to manage pencils and colors like that? that