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Kikklik
05-17-2005, 12:56 PM
let's say there's a rich guy running a race. he gets alot of money if he wins but he doesn't need it. there is also poor guy running the race. the poor guy probaly cannot beat the rich guy. what should the rich guy do?

Knifes
05-17-2005, 01:07 PM
meh... isn't this comparable to the classic to what should uber rich people do with uber amounts of money question?

If the rich guy had any pity and moral sense... how about a true charity directly to the Red Cross or something. I mean how is the rich guy supposed to know the poor is poor in the first place? :D:p ...it all depends on circumstances... but I would rather think giving the money to the people more unfortunate (people literally starving and eating tree bark) would be more suitable ne?

But then again that would theoretically be the "right" thing to do... or we as humans, can fail to greed and keep the prize money on something we're eying for.... :D:p

curse out capitalistic blood :D:p

Avychan
05-17-2005, 07:00 PM
You'd need the know the reason they were running. If the poor guy was running just so he could win the money, then who knows... but if he were running because he loved competing and wanted to show he was the fastest runner, winning the race because the rich guy let him wouldn't make him happy, even with the money he won.

krotch
05-18-2005, 11:56 AM
let's say there's a rich guy running a race. he gets alot of money if he wins but he doesn't need it. there is also poor guy running the race. the poor guy probaly cannot beat the rich guy. what should the rich guy do?

Keep the money. Sooner or later the poor guy will attempt to get a job and stop being poor. That or feed off the government and other ppl. There is no excuse for being poor, aside from laziness. If my parents can come to this country with nothing more than clothes and no high school education and work their way up to having two homes, 12 acres of land, 2 cars, 1 truck, and a mini-van, then other poor ppl can do the same.

Screw poor ppl. That's why I don't give to poor ppl charity. Call me cold hearted, but your poor for a reason. Cause your lazy or stupid.

mgurusan
05-18-2005, 01:42 PM
But in order to do that people might actually have to do manual labor! How could you think such a thing? *sarcasm btw*

Chaotic Heavens
05-18-2005, 03:07 PM
God helps those that help themselves. :p



Screw poor ppl. That's why I don't give to poor ppl charity. Call me cold hearted, but your poor for a reason. Cause your lazy or stupid.
I feel bad for the disabled. You sick freak. :p

brakespear
05-18-2005, 03:11 PM
Keep the money. Sooner or later the poor guy will attempt to get a job and stop being poor. That or feed off the government and other ppl. There is no excuse for being poor, aside from laziness. If my parents can come to this country with nothing more than clothes and no high school education and work their way up to having two homes, 12 acres of land, 2 cars, 1 truck, and a mini-van, then other poor ppl can do the same.

Screw poor ppl. That's why I don't give to poor ppl charity. Call me cold hearted, but your poor for a reason. Cause your lazy or stupid.
Obviously....and the fact that a lot of really poor people....not just poor, but beyond the limits of most of our understanding type poor.....could only dream of even leaving their own country let alone finding acceptance somewhere else....I'm sure your parents worked very hard to get where they are now....but I'm equally sure there are millions of people who'd appreciate the same opportunity.....

Still, as long as we're generalising here......it's good to see the spirit of kindredship between the recently poor and the current poor is so healthy.....would your opinions be the same had your parent's not made it big, I wonder?

Phlogistic
05-18-2005, 03:21 PM
Amazing how the Reagan-era myth of people choosing to be poor (and bad luck not being a factor) manages to persist to this day. How depressing.

mgurusan
05-18-2005, 04:29 PM
Just about anyone can do manual labor. Disabled people and the like are different tho...

Sakura-chan
05-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Keep the money. Sooner or later the poor guy will attempt to get a job and stop being poor. That or feed off the government and other ppl. There is no excuse for being poor, aside from laziness. If my parents can come to this country with nothing more than clothes and no high school education and work their way up to having two homes, 12 acres of land, 2 cars, 1 truck, and a mini-van, then other poor ppl can do the same.

Screw poor ppl. That's why I don't give to poor ppl charity. Call me cold hearted, but your poor for a reason. Cause your lazy or stupid.
You parents also moved to the US when the economy was good. Unlike now, I know people that got laid off from their jobs when all the big companies went on a f.u.c.k.in outsourcing spree. Guess what, they still can

mgurusan
05-18-2005, 05:15 PM
So it's all the fault of immigrants for "taking jobs away from americans"?

People aren't poor because they're lazy(I accept that), they just have preset high standards, unlike the "good damn immigrant"s, most americans don't want those jobs anyways. There's too many people, not enough jobs.

Phlogistic
05-18-2005, 05:42 PM
Yeah, right. When companies can't outsource their jobs to somewhere without minimum wage laws, they hire people who will work for bare minimum wage, preferably struggling, desperate immigrants. And that's not enough to live on, since the cost of living has increased dramatically since the laws were last updated - inflation aside.

TaronWarrior
05-18-2005, 06:16 PM
Rich guy should lose, but if he was like most rich people, he'd get the money and spend it on drugs. But there's no way to let the rich man know the other guy is poor, really.

krotch
05-19-2005, 12:37 AM
God helps those that help themselves. :p


I feel bad for the disabled. You sick freak. :p

Survival of the fittest. Simple as that. You were boned when you became disabled and in the animal world, a hippo should have ate you.


Obviously....and the fact that a lot of really poor people....not just poor, but beyond the limits of most of our understanding type poor.....could only dream of even leaving their own country let alone finding acceptance somewhere else....I'm sure your parents worked very hard to get where they are now....but I'm equally sure there are millions of people who'd appreciate the same opportunity.....

Still, as long as we're generalising here......it's good to see the spirit of kindredship between the recently poor and the current poor is so healthy.....would your opinions be the same had your parent's not made it big, I wonder?

Yes, because unlike many ppl in the states, my parents taught me that nothing is free and you will work for everything.

I've been working since I was a little kid and even now, I can't see myself not working. If I were to win a billion dollars in a lottery tomorrow, I'd more than likely keep my current job. I'm your average blue collar worker. Course I'm in a stupid white collar job.


You parents also moved to the US when the economy was good. Unlike now, I know people that got laid off from their jobs when all the big companies went on a f.u.c.k.in outsourcing spree. Guess what, they still can’t get a job, and you can’t say their being lazy when they fill out 5-8 applications a f.u.c.k.in day.

I also know some people that have been looking for a job since they turned sixteen and they can’t get one at the local fast food restaurants because the damn government keeps handing out a VISA too every good damn immigrant that walks across the f.u.c.k.in border. Where upon the fast food restaurants hire them because they can get away with paying them less then minimum wage. So don’t even go saying that all poor people are lazy it’s an unfair statement and absolutely inaccurate too the truth.

P.S. I also recommend you don’t say something like that in public, certain people (at least in my area) would do all kinds of nasty things for saying there poor because their lazy.

You have the same views as the morons who can't get a job. There is nothing wrong with working in a fast food joint. There is nothing wrong with working in the military. There is nothing wrong with being a garbage man. There's nothing wrong with being a paperboy. Why? Cause you are making money. If you have a doctorate in astro physics and the big companies aren't hiring, well, it's time to lower your standards. I can guarantee you that I can go to any city in the US and get myself a job. It might not be the most glamourous job, it might not be a high paying job, but it'd be a job.

You statement is nothing more than your angst against immigrants supposedly taking all the jobs. Let me ask you something. If these other ppl you talk about who aren't getting jobs were to lower there standards to what the immigrants will take, do you think they'll get a job?

I can care less if you fill out 5 - 8 applications a day, that amounts to jack shiat in my world. It's when you take the actual necessary steps to land yourself a job. If you know there's an economical slump, if you know the big companies aren't hiring, then what's the point in trying to get those jobs?

I'm a computer operator, but if one day I were to get fired and every single comp ops job is taken up and no one is hiring, I have no quarrels in digging ditches, picking cherries, or whatever. Why? Cause I'd be surviving. I might not have the best house on the block, I might not even have a house, but I'd at least have money to eat and clothes on my back. When it gets to that point, it's all about survival.

With the internet, it also becomes easier to find jobs online. Who says it has to be a local job. Move house if need be.

If these ppl filling 5 - 8 applications a day have tried all these steps and possibly more, they are just fizucking lazy.

dots
05-19-2005, 01:05 AM
If i was the rice guy i would do whatever i can to win the race. Losing a competition on purpose shows u lack sportman-ship. Even if it's for a good cause. Your oponents may feel insulted instead. Therefore i will win the race and then after that i will donate the money to the less fortunate.

Sakura-chan
05-19-2005, 07:51 AM
you know, if you can sit there and say that people that are applieing for jobs are lazy then you obviously do not know what lazy means and there for are not worth my time. you also have no grasp for buisness and i'm therefor not goin too even try to explain it too you.

aka, a moron like you isn't worth my time.

Chaotic Heavens
05-19-2005, 12:26 PM
Survival of the fittest. Simple as that. You were boned when you became disabled and in the animal world, a hippo should have ate you.
Ah. A Darwinist. How silly. The fact of the matter is that we aren't animals. We're humans. We can think beyond our instincts. So your whole "animal world" stance is pointless. We aren't animals. Unless you want to be one. And I don't mind you doing that. :p

krotch
05-19-2005, 01:18 PM
you know, if you can sit there and say that people that are applieing for jobs are lazy then you obviously do not know what lazy means and there for are not worth my time. you also have no grasp for buisness and i'm therefor not goin too even try to explain it too you.

aka, a moron like you isn't worth my time.

Let me put it simply. How long does it take to fill out a single application? About 5 - 10 mins. Filling out 10 a day doesn't exactly take up that much time. Now some times might require a resume, but you only need to make one and hit up Kinko's to make 50 copies of the thing.

What are they doing with their time? Have they gone to the unemployment office and checked their database for jobs that are hiring? Have they ridden a bike around town looking for a job (no car, as gas costs a chunk nowadays and you'll put yourself in a worse position by driving every day).

More than likely the ppl you say do a lot of work filling 5 - 8 applications a day are right now, sitting on their ass collecting unemployment checks and food stamps. Course they're probably also complaining about how they can't get a high paying job or some shiat like that.


Ah. A Darwinist. How silly. The fact of the matter is that we aren't animals. We're humans. We can think beyond our instincts. So your whole "animal world" stance is pointless. We aren't animals. Unless you want to be one. And I don't mind you doing that. :p

Last I checked, humans are part of the animal kingdom. As for as think beyond out instincts, yes we do, but at the same time, no we don't.

Like animals, when a problem arises we do what? Oh that's right, we growl at each other like animals, then we fight. Like animals, we pretty ourselves up to attempt to attract a life partner or mate.

Looking throughout history, we really didn't move far past animals and at times, we were lower than animals. I'm sorry, but I've never seen any animal, aside from humans, to do mass genocide.

Here's something to look at. Pakistan and India are fighting over a chunk of "holy" land. This would be no different than two dogs who happened to mark the same territory. Course unlike the dogs, ppl will die over this "holy" land. Personally, I think the dogs are more civilized than humans in such a case.

Ariavel
05-20-2005, 08:47 AM
Y'know, it's social Darwinism like this that makes me so very proud to be a human. 9_9

ommseti
05-20-2005, 10:59 AM
It's two unrelated things. Races are won because of athletic prowess, not because of greatest need or highest moral value or anything like that. It doesn't matter if there is one person or ten thousand people running, and it doesn't matter if the prize is ten million dollars or a cheap trophy from a craft store. The fastest person wins the race, and the winner accepts the prize.

On the other hand, I don't think that anyone is ever given anything just for their own sake. If people have a lot, that means that they're in that much better a position to help others, whether it's friends, family, or total strangers. Whether they have a lot of time, or money, or some other resource... no one ever died of an overdose of good karma, and the world's a better place when it's full of charitable people.

So, the answer to your question would be--- everyone who is racing should try their hardest, and the winner, whoever they are, has the responsibility of putting the prize to good use.

DarkDweller
05-25-2005, 03:27 AM
Well they should both run at their limits. Otherwise there wont be any fun in it. Lets say its for the money the rich guy can just go to the poor guy and say listen i dont need the money so you can have it or even lets split it. iIf it is to know who's the best then you have to run to the limit and find out otherwise you will think i won and iam the best i dont need to practice so hard anymore when actually the other guy is faster and just let you won, now that will be disappointing